Saturday, March 10

paradise lost


My Dad is a very involved and devout evangelical Christian. I used to be, twice. If you’ve been reading, you know I’m not any more, not at all. This makes for some interesting conversations.

I grew up Christian. Mostly post-denominational protestant, to be exact, with a good sprinkling of evangelical mixed in. I walked away once, when I was twelve, because the church we were in essentially ostracized Mom after she and my dad separated. Their hypocrisy and callousness chased me out. In their defense, their doctrine had hardly prepared them for such eventualities as real, complicated life. I spent my teens particularly angry about a lot of that.

Pushing my faith away was particularly hard on me. Because I was a true believer, bone and blood deep, the disillusionment and bitterness chewed me up, big time. I didn’t have the maturity or tools at the time to process it very well.

At twenty I met my future wife. She and her family were deeply involved in the Baptist church and, while I wasn’t enamored of that environment, I did find myself drawn back into the fold, as it were. We ended up very involved in a post-denominational movement for several years; involved in the music program (I led a worship band) and leadership activities. But again, the church had no answers for the horror that was our marriage, or for the ideas that the band I led had about not being religious and working with kids instead of doing our duty on Sunday mornings. My eyes opened to the business that is ‘church’, and to the politics involved in running a business, and I walked away from organized religion again, for the last time.

It took a couple years to sort through my feelings about that, and my thoughts on the issue continue to evolve, by design. I try to stay open to ideas, not get too locked into any one concept. I’m painfully aware, almost all of the time, of how much I, and we, don’t know.

For the record, I consider myself agnostic. I like to leave room for all that I know I don’t know, so agnostic makes more sense to me. I absolutely do not believe in any deity as presented by any religion I know about. I abjure religion and its rules and clubs and cliques and hierarchies. Considering how much chaos is the result of feuding between the “peoples of the book” – Islam, Judaism, and Christianity – I consider this a fairly reasonable position.

I still respect faith though, which is one of my primary objections to devout atheism. Dawkins and the devoutly atheistic present a belief (or lack of) that’s as exclusionary as organized religion usually is; it’s their way or the highway, doubters need not apply. I don’t buy that. I still think that there’s too much we don’t understand. The scientific perspective suggests that a thing does not exist until it can be seen, touched, measured. But time and time again science has discovered “new” things, things that we didn’t know were there before we found a way to measure them, like cells, and germs, and molecules, and atoms, and solar systems with the star in the middle instead of the planet that the observers live on. I just prefer to leave room for things we haven’t discovered yet. It seems prudent.

And faith, when the intent is honest and pure and empathic, whatever the faith is in, can empower people to do amazing things.

For me, I like the mystery of all that we don’t know. I have no idea what it is that we can’t measure yet, but my experience within religion, and in martial arts, and in yoga, leads me to believe that there’s a lot of it. The mystery can, at times, make my heart sing, curl my toes, make me think I can almost see farther, into a place full of miracles and magic and possibilities.

When I left the church the first time, I threw everything out. The second time, I swore that I wouldn’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. I have a specific belief about what the baby isn’t, and that includes pretty much everything I’ve ever read about religion and the deities we’ve created. What it is, however, remains to be seen as far as I’m concerned. I don’t need to know. I want to know, but I don’t need to. And I like it that way.

Dad and I spent a lot of time talking about Christianity and religion and faith when I was in the UK a couple years ago. I felt then like I do now but, at that time, I was a bit circumspect about the degree of my separation from the articles of the faith I’d been raised in. I was vocal about my profound problems with religion, my concerns about the accuracy of the bible as a source for the laws and regulations of the Christian faith, how both affect the way church is done, and how too much of our public policy seems to be subject to the whims of the willfully uneducated. But I stopped short of actually telling him that I was a minor key change shy of being an atheist.

There were two reasons for that. First, I didn’t want to attack his faith. Like I said, I respect faith, and I especially respect his. My dad has come through some huge internal storms in his life. It might be more accurate to say that he’s still riding them out, on the fringes of the storm now, but still dealing with his inner demons. Because I don’t have his permission, I’ll leave the details obscure. More important, I’m really proud of all the work he’s done, how far he’s come, the life he’s built with his family in the UK. His faith, which is sincere and profound, has been a huge part of his journey to health. I have to, and happily, respect that.

I didn’t want to threaten that faith in any way then. Why would I want to do that, having first hand knowledge of how hard walking away from it can be? He’s smart enough, I reasoned to myself, to do his own thinking and make his own decisions. I figured I could express my concerns about the religion part of belief without challenging the belief itself.

Also, to be completely honest with both of us, there was fear. Our relationship has been tenuous at times, for years after he and Mom split, and it’s taken eighteen years, since the accident, for us to rebuild a friendship. Our ongoing e-mail conversation is hugely important to me. I love him. Our relationship may be as much about a friendship now as it is a father/son dynamic, but that’s usually true for most father/son pairing by the time one is 72 and the other is 45. I really enjoy talking religion/faith/spirituality with him, and I was worried, way back in my head, that being frank and honest might upset that, spill water into the oil, sand into the gearbox.

And then, a couple weeks ago, in response to reading things in this blog, he just came out and asked, straight up. Like I said, he’s smart, and he was reading between the lines. He asked for the whole truth, and assured me that he’d be good handling it. So I told him.

This led to some very long and in depth discussion. My opinion of Christianity as a religion, and of the bible’s veracity, is kind of blunt and, if I were still a Christian, I’d be tempted to be insulted by some of the things I believe and don’t believe. To his credit (and mine, I suppose), our conversation remained friendly and loving if really, intensely sincere.

Whatever ambiguity there was regarding the differences in our beliefs, it’s not there now. It’s new, this clarity, so we’ll see how it goes, but I trust him and respect his heart and mind, and I think he does the same towards me, so I believe we’ll be just fine. Maybe a bit different, but fine.

Change is inevitable. Honesty is good. Love conquers, if not all, then at least a hell of a lot. In this case, it’ll cover enough.


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tinfoilmagnolia · 681 weeks ago

I love this post, thank you! I go through much the same thing after being raised a conservative christian. And today I hold much the same views on religion and/or lack of it. I only wish my conversations with my parents could be more like you and your dad's.
1 reply · active 681 weeks ago
Thank you and, yeah, I'm fortunate. Dad and I were always good at talking about stuff. One time, Mom said that she stopped participating in our discussions around when I was five... We've just always enjoyed taking it to a different level. He's a good man, even if he doesn't always believe it, even if I didn't always either, and we'll figure this out too.

I wish that for you. And if they can't meet you in the lands between, I wish you gobs of peace to accept it.
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Patricia MacDonald · 681 weeks ago

Wow Michael, our paths through religion - and our relationship with our Dads - are very similar. I walked away when I was young, angry and bitter at the priest who married me to my rapist then threw me out of church during his sermon when the resulting baby was a bit fussy, I vowed I would never step a foot in there again. Later, after years of alcoholism and drug abuse, another church helped me heal, but as with you, in leadership I saw the business of running a church. When I left I felt the wrath of the other leaders and it wasn't a pretty thing, them using their "gifts" of prophecy to predict my doom.

What I had to do with my Dad was forgive him. To realize he did the best he could do at the time and it was up to me to not carry that anger any longer. My Dad was not like yours, he would never talk much, so what I did was create for him a Father's Day card and hand delivered it 5 hours away. It was more of a treatise (or a treaty?) than a card, stating the good things that had happened in my life because of him, and ending with the statement that I wanted a man much like him, brave and always there.

What I had re-discovered leaving that second church were my 'old' ways, the beliefs and life ways of an Anishinabekwe. It wasn't easy coming from Canada and living in a city in Southern California, trying to return: biding my time has never been easy for me: but now I am home and "home". I wonder how you have done it, not having an "old way" to return to - you are a brave man! Thank you for sharing your story, it was interesting to see so much that is reflected in my own. Here is an old Celtic blessing for you:
May the blessing of light be on you—
light without and light within.
May the blessed sunlight shine on you
and warm your heart
till it glows like a great peat fire.

{Big Hugs}
Patricia
1 reply · active 681 weeks ago
I like your card gift. That was very cool. Mine and I have always used our words, and both of us sometimes prefer them written rather than spoken, for better or worse, which is handy now considering he's half way around the world from me.

As for finding a way n the absence of an 'old ways' to fall back on, I'm eclectic. Mostly, I'd say that I'm a secular humanist, but really, whatever works. I love the Ramakrishna quote about the different ways to the roof and how it doesn't really matter which one you take so long as you end up on the roof. I don;t know if i'll ever find that roof, but that's okay... I like the climbing. :)
GREAT post, Michael. Not just because my beliefs align well with yours, right down to the reasons I say I'm agnostic and not atheist, but also because of the underlying love-is-what-matters theme. I forget that sometimes. I get riled up or offended by the disregard that many Christians have for people of other faiths, by their claims of persecution when anyone tries to assert a separation of church and state, and I forget that the relationships underneath it all matter, that sometimes these are my friends or family members and that has to count... at least it should garner some respect for their point of view, even if I wholly disagree with it.

I'm not good at that yet... stepping back from my convictions enough to allow a relationship to continue unfettered. I do it, but always with something yucky inside. Like I'm condoning a faulty belief system. Like somehow if I don't tell them they're wrong about gay marriage or women's rights or the idea that we are a Christian nation, I'm tacitly agreeing.

I'll try whispering to myself... baby with the bath water, baby with the bath water ...and see if that helps me.

Lastly, I love REM, not every song, but when they get one right (like this one), I think they're really, really talented. Why do music people (like you, and Lance) feel a need to qualify your liking them. Are they utterly uncool if you know something about music?
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1 reply · active 681 weeks ago
(Hmm, I replied to this on my phone yesterday, trying new shit out, but said response is not here. Technology...)

What I said, if I remember rightly, was something about not being very good at stepping back either. Definitely work-in-progress stuff. With Dad, the motivation is high, so that helps.

On FB, I follow The Christian Left. I have to ignore the scriptural posts, and suspend my desire to argue points of logic (faith, after all, is NOT about logic), but I'm heartened to see people professing faith supporting progressive causes. There's no "Love the sinner but hate the sin" bullshit, just sincere appreciation for the love that LBGT people have for each other, the logic of providing birth control health care, abortions to women that need those services out of plain old concern and compassion for those women, etc. It gives me hope.

As for REM, I don't feel a need to justify my love of them for any other reason than vanity - they date me. :)
Really enjoyed this post, Michael as I am often faced with the same. All of my parents and siblings have become more outspoken and devout as of late and I worry that it will create gulfs between us, especially as it pertains to the raising of my son. I don't know if they will afford me the same respect your father does you, but I am hoping there is no change to our now caring and close relationship if they were to learn how far I've strayed from their flock.
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I hope so too, that there will be love and acceptance. You're obviously a good man. They need you in their lives.

In one of my e-mails I told my dad that I understood that he was probably "fearing for my immortal soul" now. It was half tongue-in-cheek, and half not. I remember vividly being concerned for people I loved that were not believers. I said that he shouldn't be afraid for me, but what does that do? From his perspective, I'm fully apostate. I'm Peter, denouncing the whole shebang, but with no guilt and no intention of ever asking for forgiveness. I mean, really, from my perspective, who would I ask?

Empathy is at least partly about remembering what it was like when we were there, yeah? Hopefully they'll try hard to accept your choice the way you'll try hard to accept theirs. It's all we can do.

And thanks... :)
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